A SAD Day for me…

Sesame Honey Braided Loaf
Sesame Honey Braided Loaf

I received an email from someone who will remain anonymous, they sent me the list of breads that will be published in Peter Reinhart’s new book.

Peter Reinhart’s New Book Recipes:
–French Bread (wet dough, short knead method, formerly known as the Best Breads Prefermented Dough)
–Classic French bread for baguettes and other hearth breads
–Sourdough breads: SF-Style and Pain au Levain (you can request these as one package)
–Sandwich rye bread
–Many seed bread
–Wild Rice and Onion Bread
–Cheese bread
–Soft sandwich and roll dough
–Struan multi-grain bread
–Challah
–Flaky biscuits (aka, Best Biscuits Ever)
–Soft Pretzels
–Rustic breads (ciabatta, pain a l’ancienne, focaccia and pizza)
–Hoagie rolls
–Babka
–Bagels
–English muffins
–Rich holiday bread with 4 options
–Sweet dough for cinnamon buns, sticky buns, almond rolls, and coffee cake
–Laminated dough for croissants and Danish

What a sad day for me! This is the same book I have been working on all year, with recipes and suggestion in my blog on what I was doing. There are some recipes in his book that I do not have but almost all of them are there, plus I have a lot more. It was also suggested that he had delayed fermentation and I wondered if that was like my motherdough technique. 

Here is a list of my bread recipes that I have so far many of them being tested right now by testers on my forum(there are more recipes, I have just listed most of them):

San Francisco Sours (Griffin’s Bread and others)                                                                                                                                                                                                            2 Night Sour
Pain Au Levain (French Bread)
Pane Teresa and other Motherdough recipes
Italian Loaf Ciabatta                                                                                                                                Pistou and Pesto Rolls
Baguettes
Pretzels
English Muffins
Biscuits – rustic and fluffy                                                                                                                                                                                                               Pancakes and Waffle recipes
Egg and Onion Bagels
Onion Focaccia
Alaska Bread
Pumpkin Bread
Sponge Sour
Morphed Breads
Super Onion
Sesame Wheat
Kaiser Rolls
Jerky Bread
Hawaiian Bread
Hawaiian Coffee Ring
Cinnamon Rolls
Bleu Cheese Pull Apart
Different Seeded Breads
Several Rye Breads
Ableskivers
Cornbread
Soft White Bread
Oat Bread
Pizza Dough                                    
Doughnuts
This is  a listing of only a few of the breads, there are several in different categories that aren’t listed

I can’t possibly compete against a biggie like Peter. However, my breads do not have any commercial yeast and his usually do. I wish for you the best Peter, I just wish I had gotten my book out a year ago and wasn’t competing against your book. I wonder if a publisher will even accept my manuscript now. Dang!

My book will be called – Discovering Sourdough – Professional Sourdough Breads Baked at Home

I may have to self publish… any publishers willing to take my book on?

Pistou Rolls

Pistou Rolls

 

Pistou Rolls

Sunflower Seeded Loaf

26 Responses

  1. Don’t worry. There are a lot of baking books out there and LOTS of the recipes are duplicated. Just look at the response when you put a recipe in the search engine of your computer. Page after page recipes come back.

    Your breads are awesome! Keep doing what your doing and I know it’s probaby no consolation but I’ll buy your book when your ready to publish it. You’re the real deal ;-)

  2. Teresa,
    From what I can tell, you are a pretty accomplished baker. Your blog is well done and the photography is very nice. I don’t get what you are sad about. Did you really think you would be competing against Peter Reinhart? I think you stepped over the line by announcing to the world, private and confidential information about a respected authors work in the food industry. If you want people to take you seriously you should act responsibly.

    (edited by Teresa to let Eric know that the information is available publicly on Peter’s site, I just wasn’t aware of it until it was sent to me through an email)

  3. Just passing by.Btw, you website have great content!

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  4. Hi,
    Someone sent this to me and I just want you to know that I never knew of your project nor ever saw your site before now. The recipes we’re testing for my new book are based on a process I’ve been working on for about ten years, first presented in “The Bread Baker’s Apprentice” and later in my whole grain breads book. I know you weren’t accusing me of ripping you off but were more concerned about coming up against me in a crowded marketplace with a similar menu of breads. If you have come up with similar methods based on your own baking experiments I think that’s wonderful and want you to know that I think there will always be room for new books that introduce creative methods for great bread. There are no secrets in the bread world and there are many books that cover similar products in different ways. In the end, what makes a book appealing to buyers of books is the quality of both the recipes and the writing, which I’m sure yours will have. If I can be of any help (and I help many authors of books similar to mine to bring their project to fruition, including writing cover blurbs or even forewards) feel free to contact me. My main purpose in writing is to apologize if anything I’m doing is bringing you sadness or anxiety. At the same time I want to assure you that I had no idea of your project and also feel there will always be room for good books. Don’t give up your dream and please don’t think of us as competitors but as colleagues in the the community of bakers all trying to help other bakers make great bread.
    Sincerely,
    Peter Reinhart

  5. Thankyou Peter, for your gracious comments.
    I do not believe you capable of plaigiarism and I hope you didn’t think that I meant to imply that with my blog entry. My disappointment is from developing my recipes and techniques for four years and writing for one year, to find out that I had been producing something similar to your new book. The idea has crossed my mind that I might even be accused of copying your work. In my book I mention the technique you brought from France by Philippe Gosselin, as a spin off for a popular recipe using only sourdough and the motherdough technique (so you are mentioned in my book). :)

    With a book proposal, the publisher wants to know what the current competition is and I find myself having to say that my book is similar to Peter Reinhart’s! You have made important contributions to the bread world with your books, I know, because I have many of them. I look
    forward to your new book and would like to thankyou now for the effort and creative work you must be putting into it.

    You are correct in saying that our efforts should be toward trying to help other bakers. With my book I wish to help out beginning sourdough bakers. I believe that anyone should be able to bake professional style sourdough loaves in their own kitchen. The unique aspects of sourdough can be confusing for the newbie and I hoped I could help. I appreciate your offer of assistance. If you wished to send me the name of a good literary agent, I would be grateful.

    Happy Baking,

    Teresa – northwestsourdough@gmail.com

  6. Teresa, I would not worry for one minute over Peter’s book. The way I see it Peter has a lot of competition with your book also. We all have a kitches full of cookbooks for breadmaking and we pick and choose from all of them. Everyone has a little different technique in breadmaking and we all choose the techniques we like and we become our own individual bakers. So I would say go right ahead with your plans and your book and let God direct your path. And, don’t forget that I am first in line to buy YOUR book!!
    God Bless,
    Carolyn Sue Barr

  7. There’s a big difference between a book that ONLY treats sourdough and one that treats a variety of techniques. I would buy a very good sourdough bread book and the same day buy Peter’s book, even if the recipes have the same name. The proof is on my book shelf.
    And hey, what’s life without competition? Makes it a lot more interesting.

    Jane

  8. I would also be very interested by your book, and I’m not even living in the US.
    Your motherdough technique is quite interesting. Thanks for this blog :)

  9. I have several of Peter’s books – was very nice to see his reply to you, I’ve talked to people who met him in person during baking classes, and they all say he is a wonderful person

    I totally agree with Jane – buying his book would not prevent me from getting yours too

    I think you should go ahead with your project, more and more people are getting interested in bread baking these days…

    Good luck!

  10. Hi Teresa,
    I’m currently in SF shooting the photos for my book, but will be home by next Tuesday. I don’t have an agent to recommend at this moment (currently, I don’t have one), but will be happy to correspond with you about your book project after I get home. Send me an e-mail at recipetesters@yahoo.com in about a week and I’ll see if I can think of the right agent for you to contact.
    Best of Success,
    Peter

  11. but will be happy to correspond with you about your book project after I get home.

  12. Peter Reinhart is a real class act ..

  13. Hi Peter, Thankyou for replying even when you are so busy. I will contact you next week. Have a great time in San Francisco and Happy Baking, Teresa

  14. I love your recipes and techniques. I think your book will be great and how exciting to have Peter write to you! Can’t wait to tell friends of a new book and that I have followed her blog! Dreams do come true, I am still waiting for mine, but love to see others.

  15. Hi Teresa:

    I agree with the others who posted here: it’s not just the recipes that interest us in new books, but the method. The more information out there (via your book, Peter’s, and the many other bread book authors), the better we’ll be able to understand how dough works. Keep pursuing your dream!

  16. Thankyou for your comments, you have all inspired me to continue. Happpy baking everyone,Teresa

  17. Don’t give up!!! I just found your site *today* and it looks AWESOME!! I just created my first sourdough starter last month and now I want to learn recipes to cook with it and more about how to take care of it so that I minimize waste and maximize the deliciousness of the breads that come from my kitchen.

    I am going to have to carve out some extra time to take a look around your blog more in depth because it looks amazing!!

    I am DEFINITELY interested in your book and would ABSOLUTELY BUY IT (TOMORROW if it was on sale!!! or pre-order it right now if it was over at Amazon.) So I REALLY HOPE that your book publishing continues as planned!!

    And, Peter Reinhart…. he rocks. How wonderful to see his kind comments and his fresh perspective on the baking community!!

    As a baker I think the more books on my shelves, the more educated I will be and the better baker I will become. So bring on the books! I’ll be here with credit card in hand!! LOL!

  18. When I search for a recipe in books or interent eacht recipe can be found a lot of times. the difference however between the descriptions and the writing style of the authors is also great.

    I’m 50 years old now als have loved to cook from the very first moment I came to live on my own (17 years old). Since that time I’ve bought a lot of cookbooks. I’ve also thrown away a lot of them; the recipes didn’t work out, didn’t like the writing style or the book just wasn’t inspiring enough.
    Reading some of the books you get the idea that the writer even never made the recipe himself.

    Even when you and Peter would publish your books at the same time I don’t htink they would compete. They would complete instead and this makes it more interesting.

    You’re both inspiring writers and share your experience in a way that amateur breadbakers (like myself) like so much. It’s your enthousiasm and the love for breadbaking that will make both the books very much wanted.

    Give me a note when you’re book is ready and available. I’ll put it next to Peter Reinhart’s on my bookshelf with pride.

  19. I love Peter Reinhart and have 2 of his books but I am anxiously awaiting your new book. I have great results with his pizza doughs but not so much with his whole grain breads. Since I have been reading your website and instructions, I am able to get wonderful sourdough bread without using any yeast and it is easy. Other times I’ve tried sourdough, the author made it seem complicated and difficult but your methods are easy and successful. Please go ahead with your plans for the book. I think there is a definite place in the cookbook world for it. I would love to be one of your testers. Using your recipes as a jumping off point, this is the bread we eat everyday. Thanks so much for all the information on your website and blog plus your recipe collection for sale. They made me a consistent sourdough baker.

  20. Ciao ! I recently got hooked on sourdough and I’m already abread books addict don’t worry : we all want your book !! Your blog is fantastic ! Thank you !

  21. Hi Teresa! I can’t wait for your book, hope you get it published soon. And thanks for all your hard work in making sourdough easier for the rest of us. Sometimes when I am researching a recipe I wish that I had lived a 100 years ago… Then I realize that we can still be pioneers in our own century! Thanks for all your pioneering efforts in finding more answers for all of us pursuing bread excellence! So if you ever need testers…:)

  22. Hi Teresa, I haven’t finished reading all the comments here but I agreed to Moriah who said if you search on-line for a particular recipe you’ll get a long string of answers back – there are no shortage of on-line recipes!! But what sets you apart is your passion and experience, and that you have a great way of delivering your findings in sourdough (e.g.; 94% Sourdough Spelt Bread). I own more than 500 cookbooks and I find so often the writers just give you simple steps of procedure; and that they don’t “educate” you why certain steps are necessry or why certain ingredients make a difference in certain results. To me, baking is an unfolding exercise, almost like an art work, and your 94% Spelt sourdough is exactly the thing I think many serious home bakers are looking for.
    I will buy your book!
    Shiao-Ping
    from Brisbane, Australia

  23. My dear Teresa, your book is your creative project. You are not competing with anyone, you simply create a book about your breads and describe how you bake them. It doesn’t matter that other people are creative too. Peter R. is not the only one, there are hundreds of authors of bread baking books in the world. Many of them are writing their own bread books as we speak. And that is wonderful.

    Don’t worry as they didn’t worry when they decided to write about how they bake their breads. Otherwise no one would write books, paint pictures or even give birth to children, thinking that they would have to compete with other people’s children or art.

    The world is not so much about competition as about abundance and creative expression. You know that your bread baking blog is unique, very unlike other bread blogs. It transformed me and my baking in very important ways more than anyone else’s writing. So will be your book. Rest assured. Please, Teresa, stay focused on writing and baking. We are waiting for your book to come out.

    Your friend Liudmila from Toronto, Canada.

    • Hi Mila, I think this post has been misunderstood. In publishing, you must submit a book proposal for works of non fiction. The book proposal is a work of art all by itself. In the proposal, you have to submit names of other books your book will be competing against. I felt that my timing was poor to come out with a book of a similar style to Peter’s book as he will be my main competition. That kind of competition may mean that my book wll not be accepted by publishers very easily. However, Peter has been helping me with not only the book proposal, but publishers as well. One of his publishers is looking at my book right now. It has been a learning experience and fun! Teresa

  24. I’m more interested in a book using only wild yeast. I have his Bread Baker’s Apprentice, which is an excellent book, but I get frustrated trying to figure out how to adjust things for wild yeast only.

  25. Teresa,
    I have several of Peter’s books and learned the bacics from him. I especially like “Crust and Crumb”. My first starter was the san francisco sourdough from that book about 2 years ago and while it made a great loaf of bread, I couldn’t get the sour taste I was seeking, You helped me with that. I purchased four of your sourdough starters, san francisco, alaska, northwest and australia. I now have 5 starters I call the other one Peter rinehart sourdough. I make bread weekly to keep all 5 sourdoughs active and they are all very active. So while Peter Rinehart’s books have taught me much You have also helped me a great deal and I will probably buy both books and combine methods and techniques. You are both great.
    Many Thanks,
    Linda Thompson

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